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Star Wars DVD Box Set Released
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timothy
on Tue Sep 21, 2004 06:20 AM
from the getcher-disk-on dept.
dealsites writes "CNN reports that George Lucas is releasing the Star Wars DVD box set early on September 21, 2004 due to piracy concerns. Lucas had intended to release the box set of the original 3 movies after Episode III: Revenge of the Sith was released. However, he mentions that due to piracy concerns the profits are being eaten up and there might not be a market for the films at that time. The box set contains the changes that Lucas has made from the original releases. CNN also reports on the top 5 major changes. Lucas is quoted as saying that he never intends to re-release the original 3 movies in the first CNN link."
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Attack of the Clones!
(Score:5, Funny)
by bje2 (533276) *
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:21AM (#10306672)
Attack of the Clones [slashdot.org]!!!
Re:Attack of the Clones! by REBloomfield (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:43AMRe:Attack of the Clones! by Methlin (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:26AM
UK release yesterday
(Score:5, Informative)
by CountBrass (590228)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:45AM (#10306802)
Got to be a first, we actually got a US release *before* the US, rather than 3 months later as is usually the case.
Wife and I watch epIV last night (and yes Greedo and Han do shoot at the same time) and thoroughly enjoyed it: the improvements are noticable: especially compared to our worn out VHS copy ;-) some changes (all the wild life wandering in and around Mos Eisley for example) seem a little gratuitous but not over the top.
I'd give it a thimbs up so far (but then I always did like IV, V was risible, ewoks *spit*, and VI was OK).
[ Parent ]
Re:UK release yesterday by REBloomfield (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:52AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:UK release yesterday by evilWurst (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @03:36PMLucas is lying by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:17AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.DVD Quality? by crtfdgk (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:21AM
Re:DVD Quality?
(Score:4, Informative)
by the_raptor (652941)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:23AM (#10306683)
(Last Journal: Tuesday September 11, @06:23PM)
It can look better on DVD because VHS is lower quality then film.
[ Parent ]
Re:DVD Quality? by Outsider_99 (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:27AM
Re:DVD Quality?
(Score:5, Informative)
by Phexro (9814)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:31AM (#10306725)
Film has vastly more resolution than modern video devices are capable of displaying, including HDTV. The process of transferring a film goes (roughly) like this: Source material (film) -> master (video) -> cleanup -> duplication master -> consumer product. "Remastering" refers to re-transfering the original film elements on a telecine, and cleaning them up to provide the best quality master for mass production possible. Unlimited quantities of DVDs may then be created from the duplication masters. So they aren't creating the consumer DVDs from the VHS masters, but rather re-transferring from the original film elements. That, with the additional cleanup work (e.g. Scratchbox) is what makes a remastered/restored film look good.
[ Parent ]
Re:DVD Quality? by snuf23 (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @02:50PMRe:DVD Quality? by Phexro (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:38AMRe:DVD Quality? by Tim C (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:47AMRe:DVD Quality? by OP_Boot (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:15AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.
Re:DVD Quality?
(Score:5, Informative)
by tokachu(k) (780007)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:33AM (#10306738)
(Last Journal: Monday June 07 2004, @11:41PM)
We must have the facts:
Film has about 4000 lines of resolution.
DVDs in the U.S. have 480 lines of resolution.
VHS tapes in the U.S. have about 220 lines of resolution. ...common sense calls...
[ Parent ]
Re:DVD Quality? by Johnny O (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:43AM
Re:DVD Quality?
(Score:5, Interesting)
by Silvrmane (773720)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:59AM (#10307857)
(http://planetpixelemporium.com/)
Don't confuse raster lines with lines of resolution. Lines of resolution refers to how many changes of color/brightness can occur ALONG each raster line. TV was designed an analog medium, after all. The lines of resolution that you see is dependent not only on the source material, but on your viewing equipment as well.Film has nowhere near 4000 lines of resolution - you are in the territory of grain at that point. More like 1000 - 2000, depending on the quality of the film stock and the lenses used. VHS sits at around 300 lines of resolution. DVDs potentially carry up to 780 lines of resolution (this is the maximum provided for in its digital image format) but chances are, your TV set, unless its HDTV or top of the line NTSC, is showing you 500-600 lines of resolution.All of these mediums have exactly the same number of raster lines - 525, of which you can see approximately 480 - again depending on the overscan properties of your viewing device.
[ Parent ]
Further question by Bill, Shooter of Bul (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:26AMRe:Further question by spikestabber (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:58AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:DVD Quality? by kylant (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:45AM
Re:DVD Quality?
(Score:5, Informative)
by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:14AM (#10306976)
*sigh*
It has 525 lines of which it uses 480. It then uses interlacing so you have a 50Hz refresh rate at approximately 240 lines per field.
With DVD you can get the full 480 lines because it is deinterlaced.
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Re:DVD Quality? by Phexro (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:32AM
Re:DVD Quality?
(Score:4, Informative)
by 0123456 (636235)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:46AM (#10307216)
In addition to which, 35mm film does not have 4k resolution vertically, particularly not by the time it's shown on a cinema screen. An awful lot of CG work, for example, is done with scanned film at closer to 2k x 1k, which is pretty much the same as HDTV. 4k across the film (and about 2k vertically) is really the best you'll get from current low-grain 35mm film in ideal conditions, not a general figure.
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Re:DVD Quality? by shirai (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @12:34PMRe:DVD Quality? by LilMikey (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:16AMRe:DVD Quality? by Phexro (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:33PMRe:DVD Quality? by Hobadee (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:49AMRe:DVD Quality? by snuf23 (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @02:56PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.3 replies beneath your current threshold.
Re:DVD Quality?
(Score:5, Informative)
by binaryDigit (557647)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:34AM (#10306743)
Doesn't the saying go "you can't get something from nothing"? How do they get "DVD quality" from old film? How could it look any better than the original VHS quality?
I'm sure there are 50 people replying right now, but ....
It's better because the original film is significantly higher res than VHS (one would think this goes without saying, but anyway). Even if it were a simple direct from master copy to DVD, you'd still get a significantly better end result than could be achieved by VHS. But typically they'll do other things in the process like cleaning up the print (digitally) while they're at it. Also note that the 35mm film is higher res still than DVD (which is actually quite low res) so there is still a lot of headroom there for even better quality formats in the future (e.g. DVD-HD).
[ Parent ]
Quality over resolution every time... by tentimestwenty (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:13AM
Re:DVD Quality?
(Score:5, Interesting)
by minasoko (710100)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:37AM (#10306760)
Take a look at these pages for alleged quality differences between recent home releases of the films, including the 2004 DVD release.
- Episode IV [club-internet.fr]
- Episode V [club-internet.fr]
- Episode VI [club-internet.fr]
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Re:DVD Quality? by aussie_a (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:05AMRe:DVD Quality? by minasoko (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:33AMRe:DVD Quality? by geordie_loz (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:53AMRe:DVD Quality? by Performaman (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:12PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:DVD Quality? by AlphaJoe (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:28AMRe:DVD Quality? by shirai (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @12:44PMRe:DVD Quality? by iamcf13 (Score:1) Wednesday September 22 2004, @07:00PMRe:MOD PARENT UP ! by csteinle (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:42AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:DVD Quality? by dotwaffle (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:38AM
Re:DVD Quality?
(Score:5, Funny)
by WebfishUK (249858)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:45AM (#10306798)
It could never look as good as that night when my dad took me to the cinema when I was just 7 back in 1977. Largely because, after the subsequent years of squinting at cathode ray tubes and tft screens, my eyes where better when I was 7!
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Re:DVD Quality? by BoogieChile (Score:1) Saturday September 25 2004, @01:55AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:DVD Quality? by BlackHawk-666 (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:50AMDisplay device ... by gstoddart (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:01AMRe:DVD Quality? by llopis (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:02AMRe:DVD Quality? by Badfysh (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:41AMRe:DVD Quality? by Pope (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @12:31PMRe:DVD Quality? by Badfysh (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @04:39PMRe:DVD Quality? by lordofthechia (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @01:59PMRe:DVD Quality? by techwolf (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:39AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.
Sure.
(Score:5, Insightful)
by Phexro (9814)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:23AM (#10306682)
Yeah, the Star Wars franchise is really suffering due to piracy. Versus, say, producing two completely crap prequels, oversaturating the tie-in market, and then not releasing the original versions that many people want to buy. George Lucas doesn't need any more of your money, and this seems to be reflected by the decisions he has made as of late.
Re:Sure. by BathTub (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:27AMRe:Sure. by nkh (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:07AM
Re:Sure.
(Score:4, Informative)
by TGK (262438)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:46AM (#10307214)
(http://www.nephandus.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday May 08 2004, @07:19PM)
Given that the films were scanned into the ILM system in a format exceeding HD's pixel count, I'd say an HD release is inevitable. I read somewhere (but now can't find the source to save my life, so call it heresay) that Lucas is essentialy doing this in preparation for a HD release of the films. I think he'll be waiting for the HD format to settle down before he makes any moves. For those of you who want to try out HD DVD you've got only one choice as of right now.... Terminator 2's latest addition (fugly metal case etc) is the only HD DVD on the market in the US.
[ Parent ]
Re:Sure. by guinsu (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:38AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Sure. by Jugalator (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:28AMRe:Sure. by metlin (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:48AM
Be No Original Trilogy Here....
(Score:5, Insightful)
by BRock97 (17460)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:03AM (#10306906)
(http://www.rockhouse.org/)
"At least we got the original trilogy DVD."
I hate to disagree, but we did not get the original trilogy. We got a trilogy that has been monkeyed with and, in parts, made worse while in other parts made better. On the whole, I like what he did to the three (even though I have seen the Hayden Christensen thing at the end of Jedi and hugely dislike it), but this is definately not the original trilogy.
Personally, I think that is what Lucas is worried about. Here you have three movies how he wanted them, now complete we can assume. But, a great many people hate the changes. So much so that in recently (like in the last couple of years), those with the laserdisc originals have been painstakenly moving those over to DVD and those are appearing online. I believe this is the piracy that Lucas is talking about. He wants to make those originals go away (he said so [yahoo.com] recently).
[ Parent ]
Re:Be No Original Trilogy Here....
(Score:4, Funny)
by gfxguy (98788)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:19AM (#10307016)
(http://free-usa.blogspot.com/)
Here you have three movies how he wanted them, now complete we can assume. See, this excuse is really annoying. So, for some reason, he couldn't make Greedo and Han shoot at the same time in 1977? And it was so difficult to fix, he still couldn't get it right in revisions? Yes, that's right... it took 2004 technology to make both shoot at the same time. Maybe with 2004 technology they could've given Greedo glasses so that he wouldn't miss from two feet away.
[ Parent ]
Re:Be No Original Trilogy Here....
(Score:4, Interesting)
by Joey7F (307495)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:15AM (#10307476)
(http://compustore.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday May 12 2005, @08:06PM)
"At least we got the original trilogy DVD." I hate to disagree, but we did not get the original trilogy. We got a trilogy that has been monkeyed with and, in parts, made worse while in other parts made better. On the whole, I like what he did to the three (even though I have seen the Hayden Christensen thing at the end of Jedi and hugely dislike it), but this is definately not the original trilogy. I think this may come from me seeing the original movies in 1999 when I was 16, but I always thought Anakin should have been a young guy at the end of Jedi given the argument that Darth Vader killed him 30 years ago. It is still a great ending, and if anything, I think this was an actual improvement. My top 4 grrr... changes have been improved / fixed. Greedo/Han (fire simulataneously, not as bad), Luke screaming as he fell in ESB (back to the way it was), the Emperor (is consistent through out), Jabba scene (looks more consistent) etc. I seriously wonder how many complaints there would be if more people liked the prequels. I like them, especially AOTC, which is my favorite of all 6 (yeah, even ESB, so suck on it). I am looking forward to Episode 3... --Joey
[ Parent ]
Re:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by jokell82 (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:23AMRe:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by Rhonwyn (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:49PMRe:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by jokell82 (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:16PMRe:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by Richard Whittaker (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:25AMRe:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by Joey7F (Score:2) Wednesday September 22 2004, @12:48AMRe:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by clf8 (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:45AMRe:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by DeadScreenSky (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @12:54PMRe:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by clf8 (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @01:44PMRe:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by DeadScreenSky (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @03:57PMRe:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by LSD-25 (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:38PMRe:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by Cappy Red (Score:2) Wednesday September 22 2004, @04:06AMOT: liking AOTC by DeadScreenSky (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @04:07PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Be No Original Trilogy Here.... by Jugalator (Score:2) Wednesday September 22 2004, @04:52PMthe originals are here (torrents) by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:15AMNot alone though .... by gstoddart (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:10AMRe:Sure. by NanoGator (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @02:20PMRe:Sure. by Chester K (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:30AM
Re:Sure.
(Score:4, Funny)
by gfxguy (98788)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:10AM (#10306948)
(http://free-usa.blogspot.com/)
He has to blame something when every man, woman, and child on the planet don't buy a copy. Reporter: "You were expecting roughly six billion sales, but only 10 million were sold. Care to comment?" Lucas: "Must be piracy."
[ Parent ]
1 reply beneath your current threshold.
Re:Sure.
(Score:5, Insightful)
by Technician (215283)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:44AM (#10307209)
and then not releasing the original versions that many people want to buy. When they released the first one to the big screen, they announced they would never release it to the home market. I saw it on the big screen. Because they would never release it to the home market, piracy couldn't hurt anything. I was overseas and picked up a nth generation VHS copy. (not good quality) Because of piracy, about 4 years later they released a VHS version. They missed the market by not filling the void. They should have sold into the market when the demand was high. It's a case of a company not listening to it's consumers. Now that consumers may want the original theatrical version, why is a studio going to play the it's not for sale game again.. Will they ever learn. Some movies I am hesitant to buy simply because it becomes a pig in a poke. Close Encounters of the Third Kind is a good example of this. There are at least 3 versions out. The original big screen version I don't think they ever released to the home market. The re-done one (with out the crazy scene of ripping up the garden, upsetting the lady with the ducks next door, and tossing everyting into the kitchen window) and the extended version with the extra footage of the ship. Get a clue. Release the uncut big screen version in a timely manner. If I know I can get the full version legaly in good quality, than there is less incentive to look elsewhere. If you want additional scenes, or an alternate ending, put it in the menu on DVD.
[ Parent ]
Re:Sure. by royalblue_tom (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:45AM
Re:Sure.
(Score:4, Insightful)
by crawling_chaos (23007)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:57AM (#10308407)
(http://localhost/)
In these cases (where a work is deliberately made unavailable, even though it is in demand) the government should revoke copyright protection to the works in question - the studio can still release it anyway they like, but they can't stop anyone else doing likewise.
Look, I don't like Lucas' changes any more than the next guy, but this is retarded. We grant the creator of a work exclusive rights ostensibly to encourage people to create new works so they to can make a mint. Exclusive rights include the right to not release it if they choose not to. I'll agree that these rights should expire after a time, but in this case the author is still living and I believe that it is worthwhile to adhere to his wishes.
You do not have a right to see the original Star Wars. You have a desire to do so. Lucas does have the right to monkey with it, and I have the right to think he's a money grabbing talentless jerk who got lucky once and is desperately trying to prove that it wasn't a fluke (and failing.)
[ Parent ]
Re:Sure. by royalblue_tom (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:29AMRe:Sure. by spirality (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:49AMRe:Sure. by Wanker (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:18AMRe:Sure. by dvdeug (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @03:08PMRe:Sure. by neurojab (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @04:05PMUh... by rd_syringe (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:54AMRe:Uh... by royalblue_tom (Score:2) Monday September 27 2004, @02:57PM
Re:Sure.
(Score:5, Insightful)
by mark-t (151149)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:42AM (#10309650)
(Last Journal: Tuesday September 12 2006, @03:31PM)
Except for one, small, detail....
The "home market" didn't even exist yet when Star Wars first came out in 1977.
[ Parent ]
Re:Sure. by snuf23 (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @03:32PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Sure. by Udo Schmitz (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @12:03PMRe:Sure. by Technician (Score:2) Tuesday September 28 2004, @10:09AMRe:Cut up film.. by Technician (Score:2) Tuesday September 28 2004, @10:02AM
Re:Sure.
(Score:5, Insightful)
by Maestro4k (707634)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:51AM (#10307279)
(Last Journal: Thursday January 13 2005, @12:25PM)
and then not releasing the original versions that many people want to buy.
If there really is a huge piracy problem for the original trilogy then this is the reason why. People have been begging, screaming, whining and complaining about the lack of a DVD release of the original trilogy at least since Episode I came out on DVD. That's been about 4 years now so of course people are going to start turning to alternatives. I'd be willing to bet a large amount of those "pirating" the original trilogy own the VHS version and have already preordered the DVD boxset.
Personally I have the only digital version released up till now -- the laserdisc version. Still I'm not keen on the two pauses you have to deal with per movie (one double-sided disc, one single sided per movie) so I preordered the box set. There's not a huge number of people with laserdisc players (even at the height of their popularity, such as it was) much less both a player and the Star Wars LDs, everyone else wanting a digital version has been SOL up till today.
While that doesn't really make it right that people have pirated it, I'm not going to be feeling sorry for Lucas. Quite frankly, he brought that particular piracy mess on himself by being stubborn and ignoring fan requests. He'll still make barrel loads of money off the DVD boxset anyway so it's not like he's going to suffer. Neither are those that worked on the original trilogy, he did share profits with the cast and crew on The Empire Strikes Back at least, I believe he did so on Return of the Jedi as well. (For those buying the boxset the new documentary included will tell the details, I caught it on A&E a few weeks back.) About the only "victims" I can see for piracy of the original trilogy would be the stores who didn't have the product to sell in the first place.
And frankly it'd sell well even if he'd made us wait as long as he originally intended, although he may have lost all remaining fan goodwill towards him.
[ Parent ]
Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:49AMRe:Unfortunately by Naikrovek (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @12:44PMRe:Unfortunately by LetterJ (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @01:12PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Sure. by sdo1 (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @02:40PMStar Wars - a new master? by silentbozo (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @04:20PMRe:Star Wars - a new master? by sdo1 (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @04:40PMRe:Sure. by checkyoulater (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @04:42PM
Re:Sure.
(Score:5, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:21AM (#10307530)
George Lucas would be a good candidate for residence in Mos Eisley. He isn't quite the scum of the universe, but he is a known liar regarding the future and fate of Star Wars. He's claimed, at various times, that he intended Star Wars to be 1, 3, 6 and 9 films - from the start! No matter what the current plan, he's always had it in mind. It took him several decades to even admit that Star Wars was not only not originally planned to be 3, 6 or 9 films, but that it didn't even have an original plot or characters, and was a reconstitution of The Hidden Fortress in a space setting. He steadfastly denied that negative fan reaction to elements of The Phantom Menace (idiot Jar Jar, whiny Hayden) caused changes in Attack of the Clones - nope, he'd planned it that way from the start. He's even on record lying to Steven Spielberg about having 3 Indiana Jones films ready - from the start. It could be a pathological condition. Perhaps Lucas is a megalomaniac and always needs to perceive himself as the sole architect. The point of all this is, don't expect that Lucasfilm/Fox won't be hawking the original versions sometime, for some extreme premium, just because Lucas currently says that isn't going to happen. For all we know, he planned for the originals to be released on DVD when he first conceived of all 15 movies of Star Wars... we just haven't been informed yet. In all likelihood he's probably trying to drive up fan demand. He's been constantly commenting on the release of "the originals" in the press for about 2 years now. And piracy doesn't affect squat - what people really want to pirate doesn't exist because Lucas hasn't authorized it yet. You can pirate HDTV rips if you just want the movies, but the originals on DVD, with brand-new new bells and whistles and the attractive packaging we all enjoy, will sell like hotcakes when released even if they're pirated non-stop from now until then. If Lucas actually isn't lying for once, consider that he's 60 years old and could retire, cede control to someone else, or pass away at pretty much any time now. Even if his mind's made up now, it might not be his choice to make for much longer.
[ Parent ]
no SW original ever... by mabhatter654 (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:18PMRe:Sure. by SlippyToad (Score:2) Wednesday September 22 2004, @10:01PM
Re:Sure.
(Score:5, Funny)
by rabel (531545)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:44AM (#10307730)
Versus, say, producing two completely crap prequels, oversaturating the tie-in market, and then not releasing the original versions that many people want to buy.
Actually, what I think really happened is that George accidentally overwrote the original movie when doing his editing.
"Damn! I should have Saved As rather than Saved. Oh, man.. the fans are going to be pissed, that was the only copy of the original movie and I just overwrote it with these edits. What to do... what to dooooo?? *jumping up and down wringing hands*
"I know, I'll just pretend like that's what I meant to do all along! I'm sure they'll understand since *I* am the true Lord of the Sith! " *picks up toy light saber, starts making wha-wha sounds*
[ Parent ]
Re:Sure. by colmore (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:56AMRe:Sure. by BillyBlaze (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:44AMRe:Sure. by supabeast! (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:36AMRe:Sure. by Pope (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @12:47PM
Re:What's your point?
(Score:5, Insightful)
by Steve B (42864)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:10AM (#10306950)
(http://www.speakeasy.net/~sbrinich)
Now I do understand the argument that it might be suffering MORE from the whims of it's creator, but it doesn't make his statement any less valid.
Hollywood has cried "wolf" far too often, using "piracy" as a convenient explanation for any and all problems (even problems that are obviously the result of its own poor products).
Thus, Hollywood claiming to have found yet another "piracy" problem is about as credible as Dan Rather claiming to have found another set of Bush's National Guard records.
[ Parent ]
Re:What's your point? by sidhartha (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:52AMRe:What's your point? by rd_syringe (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:49AMRe:What's your point? by sidhartha (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @12:16PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:What's your point? by strikethree (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:27AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.2 replies beneath your current threshold.Already got it ... by drmancini (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:24AMRe:Already got it ... by Silas is back (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:35AMthe ultimate box set by politicsie04 (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:24AMRe:the ultimate box set by CityZen (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @04:17PM
5 changes? I think not
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by alnapp (321260)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:24AM (#10306691)
(http://www.fatboythin.co.uk/)
Star Wars here [thedigitalbits.com] and Empire and Jedi here [thedigitalbits.com]
Re:5 changes? I think not
(Score:4, Informative)
by Sc00ter (99550)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:36AM (#10307147)
(http://www.scootz.net/)
top 5 major changes
That list is just the major ones, not all of them.
[ Parent ]
What's with goldenrod? by TrekkieGod (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:15AMRe:5 changes? I think not by geekboy2k (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:05AMRe:5 changes? I think not by TWoodham (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:17AMRe:5 changes? I think not by eingram (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:52PMNo Market? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:25AMRe:No Market? by Brando_Calrisean (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:31PM2 replies beneath your current threshold.
Bad Wikipedia link
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by Jugalator (259273)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:25AM (#10306696)
(Last Journal: Monday February 13 2006, @07:11PM)
... and here's a user-edited, unauthoritative, small, article from Wikipedia about the changes [wikipedia.org] in case anyone missed them. Please use multiple sources to confirm the validity of this information.
Re:Bad Wikipedia link by NFNNMIDATA (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:59PMHA HA HA HA HA! by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:25AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.
Hypocrisy filter
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by koh (124962)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:25AM (#10306698)
(Last Journal: Friday March 11 2005, @07:17PM)
George Lucas is releasing the Star Wars DVD box set early on September 21, 2004 due to piracy concerns. s/piracy/marketing/g
We had it yesterday in the UK
(Score:5, Interesting)
by Zog The Undeniable (632031)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:27AM (#10306705)
Looks really good in terms of picture quality, but Han/Greedo obsessives will not be placated; they now shoot at almost exactly the same time. And Sebastian "Anakin Skywalker" Shaw (at least in his non-disfigured state) has been CGI'd out of history and replaced with a mulleted Hayden Christensen.
Re:We had it yesterday in the UK by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:40AM
Re:We had it yesterday in the UK
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by Chess_the_cat (653159)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:15AM (#10306981)
(http://www.chessthecat.com/)
And Sebastian "Anakin Skywalker" Shaw (at least in his non-disfigured state) has been CGI'd out of history and replaced with a mulleted Hayden Christensen.
You know what really makes that edit stupid? Why would Luke recognize the young Anakin as his father?
[ Parent ]
Re:We had it yesterday in the UK by tabdelgawad (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:15AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by CreatureComfort (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:36AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by duffahtolla (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:42AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by magefile (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:10AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:We had it yesterday in the UK by TheTick (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:27AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by royalblue_tom (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:53AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by sharkey (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:01AM
In the words of James Dean ...
(Score:4, Funny)
by sbowles (602816)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:15AM (#10308001)
Live fast, become corrupted by the Dark Side young and leave a good looking Force ghost.
[ Parent ]
Re:We had it yesterday in the UK by Dirtside (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @03:09PMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by SlippyToad (Score:2) Wednesday September 22 2004, @10:07PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:We had it yesterday in the UK by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:29AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by danheretic (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:49AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by knowles420 (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:55AMThe Force Maybe by Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:06AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by Recessive Gene Boy (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:59AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by bicho (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:05AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by Baseclass (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:44AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by Morgahastu (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @01:03PMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by Baseclass (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @01:21PMThe only answer that will make sense... by Stoutlimb (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @01:38PMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by twelveinchbrain (Score:1) Wednesday September 22 2004, @01:12AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:We had it yesterday in the UK by Holi (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:23AMRe:We had it yesterday in the UK by kalidasa (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @02:25PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.
Too Late
(Score:3, Interesting)
by mirko (198274)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:27AM (#10306710)
(http://linuxette.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday April 26 2005, @07:00AM)
Lucas used Microsoft's strategy which consists of pre-announcing a product long before it'd be released. The problem is that I made my mind and I am not sure I want to acquire this set because I am unsure I might watch it again and again...This observation came after somebody lent me the 3-DVD set of the Indiana Jones Trilogy (which happened to have gotten really... obsolete) : I then thought it could be the same with SW. But otherwise, had he released it today without pre-announcing it, I might have considered buying it... Simply because of the surprise effect which he voluntarily spoiled.
yeah right by SuperKendall (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:59AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.
Ehm, logic anyone?
(Score:5, Insightful)
by Colonel Sponsz (768423)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:30AM (#10306720)
Hm, let's see here:* Fans are screaming after the original, non-Special Edition version.* Lucas admits he's never going to release the original version. So, the only way to get the original trilogy, on a decent medium (VHS doesn't count, Laserdisc isn't an option for 99% of the people out there) is through... piracy? Now, here comes the big irony:* Lucas releases the Star Wars SE DVDs early, over fear for piracy concerns. Way to go Lucas!
Re:Ehm, logic anyone? by xSauronx (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:43AMRe:Ehm, logic anyone? by javasensai (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:48AMRe:Ehm, logic anyone? by loveaxelrod (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:57AMRe:Ehm, logic anyone? by Quobobo (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:14AMRe:Ehm, logic anyone? by 91degrees (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:19AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Ehm, logic anyone? by Danathar (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:13AM
Re:Ehm, logic anyone?
(Score:5, Insightful)
by zoeblade (600058)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:16AM (#10306992)
(http://www.bytenoise.co.uk/)
Now, here comes the big irony: Lucas releases the Star Wars SE DVDs early, over fear for piracy concerns.
No, the big irony is making a film [imdb.com] in which people have to buy products for the sake of it, presumably pointing out that this would be a bad idea, then going on to make another film [imdb.com] which you proceed to market toys for, do deals with fast food eateries over, and so on.
[ Parent ]
Re:Ehm, logic anyone? by magefile (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:13AMRe:Ehm, logic anyone? by BigJimSlade (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:10AMRe:Ehm, logic anyone? by Rogerborg (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:09AMRe:Ehm, logic anyone? by LordNimon (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:30AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:Ehm, logic anyone? by rd_syringe (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:59AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.Greedo! by ImaLamer (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:30AM
Re:Greedo!
(Score:5, Funny)
by yorugua (697900)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:22AM (#10307045)
CNN : If the SE series is the Star Wars you " really wanted to make", can you please describe the technical difficulties when filming Greedo shooting first with the 70's technology so that you had to came up with Han shooting first instead?
George : eeehhhh, aahhhhh....
[ Parent ]
Re:Greedo! by MouseR (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:38AM
Already in europe
(Score:3, Interesting)
by blackmonday (607916)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:31AM (#10306727)
(http://www.loscreepers.net/)
I've been in Europe for 2 weeks, and it's been available at least since last week. It's selling for 79 euros, about 100 dollars. They're having TV promotions and everything. I thought most stuff showed up in Europe last?
Re:Already in europe by drmancini (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:35AMRe:Already in europe by TheIndividual (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:55AMRe:Already in europe by CountBrass (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:56AMRe:Already in europe by gowen (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:08AMRe:Already in europe by Jugalator (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:12AMRe:Already in europe by ttsalo (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:11AMRe:Already in europe by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:17AMNow I get it... by Lars Clausen (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:32AMThe scene change that upset me most by yuud (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:32AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.misquote by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:33AMRe:misquote by secolactico (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:52AMRe:misquote by eclectro (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:20AMOr... by DrJonesAC2 (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:35AM
I don't get it
(Score:5, Insightful)
by chrisgeleven (514645)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:36AM (#10306755)
(http://chrisgonyea.com/)
The majority of Slashdot readers seem to be pissed about the greatest trilogy of all-time being released on the most popular video format right now. Yes I know it isn't the original trilogy. But the SE is damn close to being it. Some of Lucas' "improvements" are *gasp* actually improvements! Yes, I know it isn't what was originally released, but this is Lucas' story and he owns the rights, so he is allowed to tinker with it until he is satisfied. When I watch the SE, I don't vomit, I don't cry, I don't think about some part of my childhood slipping away. The great parts of the movie are still there. Luke meeting Obi-wan, the sunset, meeting Han, saving Leia, Obi-wan vs. Vader, "I am your father", the final duel, etc. It is all there still, just like it was back in the day. The movies still give me that chill during certain scenes, where they just touch some part inside that you never knew you had. Yes it might not be the originals, but I'll take 99% of the original on DVD over nothing. Maybe if you don't agree you should go watch again with an open mind. Instead of saying "why the fuck did Lucas change this! It isn't the same!" ask yourself "there must be a good reason for this." Now I am going to go watch my copy of the trilogy...on DVD!
Re:I don't get it by 0123456 (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:04AMRe:I don't get it by CoffeeJedi (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:34AMRe:I don't get it by 0123456 (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:37AMRe:I don't get it by dogmatixpsych (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @02:16PMRe:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:02AMRe:I don't get it by JCholewa (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:35AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I don't get it by Deagol (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:04AMRe:I don't get it by Achoi77 (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:45AMRe:I don't get it by galen (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:07AMRe:I don't get it by scot4875 (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @05:03PMRe:I don't get it by pyros (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:20AMWell... by SuperKendall (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:50AMRe:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:06AM
Re:I don't get it
(Score:4, Interesting)
by Illserve (56215)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:42AM (#10307192)
Yes he has the right to do this. I've also got the rights to do alot of things I shouldn't. You should be outraged because it's a very disturbing outcome of the digital age, that classics of the past will change gradually and people will eventually forget the way things were. It dilutes our cultural history and we should be outraged, *especially* if he's not going to release the originals.
[ Parent ]
Versioning by Atario (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @02:51PMThis reminds me of Turner colorizing movies by KatchooNJ (Score:1) Wednesday September 22 2004, @04:30PMRe:I don't get it by 0123456 (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:31AMRe:I don't get it by Deagol (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:07AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I don't get it by OoSync (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @12:08PM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Why people don't like the SE by starseeker (Score:3) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:59AMRe:Why people don't like the SE by Illserve (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:26AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.
Re:I don't get it
(Score:5, Interesting)
by BigJimSlade (139096)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:19AM (#10307511)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Now I am going to go watch my copy of the trilogy...on DVD! Me too! I'm going to watch the original movie I watched as a child on DVD, without any changes! No rose-colored glasses, with things changed to how they "should've been". Real artists don't go into a museum, take their painting off the wall and change it whenever they have a whim. It's one thing to touch up the special effects... it's another to insert/replace characters in the movie, changing the meaning of entire scenes by changing character's actions. I think if Lucas had any respect for the work he had done in the past, he would want to preserve it. In the meantime, I'll be doing my best to make sure that the movie how I saw it still exists for me to enjoy with my children someday.
[ Parent ]
Re:I don't get it by Rombuu (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:59AMRe:I don't get it by jokell82 (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:48AMRe:I don't get it by Rogerborg (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:14AMWhat a bunch of bullshit by rd_syringe (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:05AMRe:What a bunch of bullshit by dswensen (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:28AM1 reply beneath your current threshold.Re:I don't get it by YowzaTheYuzzum (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:14PMRe:I don't get it by MBaldelli (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:22AM
Re:I don't get it
(Score:5, Funny)
by 0123456 (636235)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:28AM (#10307591)
"Especially given the way that Episode VI panders to pre-teens with those blasted Ewoks" Yeah, but it also panders to the dads with that metal bikini :).
[ Parent ]
Re:I don't get it by MBaldelli (Score:1) Wednesday September 22 2004, @07:36AMRe:I don't get it by Tackhead (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:24AMRe:I don't get it by erroneus (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @08:32AMBad News Is Still News For Nerds by EXTomar (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:07AMRe:I don't get it by tuffy (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @10:30AMRe:I don't get it by toby (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:17AMWhat *I* don't get by Sycraft-fu (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:26AMRe:What *I* don't get by miskatonic alumnus (Score:1) Thursday September 23 2004, @08:16PMRe:I don't get it by fermion (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @11:57AMRe:I don't get it by jonnystiph (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @05:23PMRe:I don't get it by CaseM (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @09:20PMRe:I don't get it by 91degrees (Score:1) Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:23AM2 replies beneath your current threshold.I have lost all faith by Groo Wanderer (Score:2) Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:36AM
Everyone would do well...
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by CliffH (64518)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:36AM (#10306759)
(Last Journal: Friday August 26 2005, @09:12PM)
... to buy a laserdisc player, buy the trilogy on LaserDisc (my dad still has the original trilogy), record to DVD, and voila. Star Wars Episodes IV, V, and VI the way they were ORIGINALLY viewed. As an added bonus, the LaserDiscs do sound better than any VHS your going to find and the picture (barring laser rot or a warped LD) is pretty nice too. :)
CliffH
Re:Everyone would do well...
(Score:5, Informative)
by jridley (9305)
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:45AM (#10306804)
That's why there's bittorrent, my son. There are currently 3 copies of the movie made from the Definitive Edition laserdiscs, all with great care, probably better than most people could do themselves. Check it out. They're all good.
[ Parent ]
Re:Everyone would do well...
(Score:4, Informative)
by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @07:19AM (#10307017)
for anyone whose interested: http://everythingisnt.com/torrents/
[ Parent ]
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Piracy wouldn't be such a problem if
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by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday September 21 2004, @06:40AM (#10306772)
There wouldn't be so many of us dedicating bittorrent bandwidth to sharing these if he'd just release the damn movies in their original theatrical release. I personally had already waited years for the DVD release, and would have happily waited another year and just bought the damn thing. But I've bought the original series THREE TIMES already; on CED videodisc, then twice on VHS (the first one wore out), then I bought the "special edition" on VHS, which was good because it told me I didn't want to ever see THAT again. All I want is an archival quality copy of the ORIGINAL movies. I would have paid for it even though I've already bought the damn movies 3+ times. But it's not for sale. I hate to call it pirating, it's just that I'm just not buying what Lucas is selling.
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